1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 http://www.fbdthemovie.com 2 00:00:08,610 --> 00:00:12,220 This is a new science: socio-cyberneering. 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,220 And this is its inventor, the extraordinary Jacque Fresco. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,000 He's my guest this weekend on News Weekend. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,050 My guest is an extraordinary Miamian: Dr. Jacque Fresco. 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,540 I could go through all the things that Dr. Fresco has done. 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,900 He's a social engineer, industrial engineer, designer, inventor, 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,050 was a consultant for Rotorcraft Helicopter, 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Director of Scientific Research Laboratories, Los Angeles, 10 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:39,520 designed and copyrighted various items, 11 00:00:39,630 --> 00:00:42,400 ranging from drafting instruments to X-ray units, 12 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:45,140 has had works published in the Architectural Record, 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,780 Popular Mechanics, Saturday Review, and has been a technical 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,090 and psychological consultant to the motion picture industry, 15 00:00:51,190 --> 00:00:54,440 member of the Air Force design and development unit at Wright Field, 16 00:00:54,580 --> 00:00:58,000 developed the electrostatic anti-icing systems, 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,660 designed prefabricated aluminum houses. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,000 What does it say in your driver's license? 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,900 - What is the occupation? 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,600 - Industrial Designer ... 21 00:01:07,550 --> 00:01:09,050 Social Engineer. 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,740 - Does it bug you that... 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,370 people, when they talk about Jacque Fresco in Miami, say that 24 00:01:13,410 --> 00:01:17,260 he's someone who is, "Too far ahead of his time," his thinking is- 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,210 "We're not ready for advanced kind of thinking"- 26 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:21,800 of that type. Does it bug you? 27 00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:24,840 - I imagine every creative person in every field 28 00:01:24,940 --> 00:01:28,860 encounters that sort of problem. No, it doesn't. I can't afford it. 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 There's too many things that are important. 30 00:01:31,100 --> 00:01:35,110 - What is socio-cyberneering? 31 00:01:35,540 --> 00:01:40,000 - Socio-cyberneering is a new organization, 32 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:44,440 and it represents the application of the most sophisticated forms 33 00:01:44,490 --> 00:01:48,590 of science and technology toward problem solving, 34 00:01:48,730 --> 00:01:51,410 so that we can reclaim the environment 35 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:54,450 which we loused up over the years 36 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,360 and to build a way of life worthy of Man. 37 00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:02,140 To humanize society, to break away from the artificiality, 38 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,360 the regimentation, that dominates our society today. 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,810 Our society seems torn apart, and pulled in many directions. 40 00:02:10,950 --> 00:02:13,600 Socio-cyberneering is an approach 41 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:18,710 at the restructuring of society in humanistic terms. 42 00:02:18,850 --> 00:02:20,420 - Humanistic terms? - Yes. 43 00:02:21,170 --> 00:02:24,040 - The times I've spoken to you, you're very science and 44 00:02:24,180 --> 00:02:28,000 technological-oriented. You want categories in people 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,480 ... classified in categories, certain people living here and- 46 00:02:30,580 --> 00:02:32,080 - I never wanted that. - No. 47 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:34,560 - Let's say that we didn't read each other, 48 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:37,220 or I did not communicate the ideas. 49 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:42,270 In essence, to me, all of the marvels of science and technology, 50 00:02:42,410 --> 00:02:45,060 all of the electronics and mechanical wonders, 51 00:02:45,210 --> 00:02:47,890 are just so many millions of tons of junk, 52 00:02:48,030 --> 00:02:50,370 unless it enhances the lives of men. 53 00:02:50,510 --> 00:02:53,130 The reason we emphasize machines and technology 54 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:55,570 is to free Man, to go to 55 00:02:55,730 --> 00:02:58,220 art centers, music centers, cultural centers, 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,210 and to find the meaning of their own existence and lives. 57 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:03,310 - How much can machines do? Can they 58 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:05,500 run the things that are necessary to run? 59 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,650 - Well, Mr. King, if we can 60 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:10,200 launch a rocket off the Earth while it's turning, 61 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:13,460 find a place on the Moon, land it automatically, 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,450 pick up samples of the soil, bring the ship back 63 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:18,860 without humans- I think the Russians have done this- 64 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,100 bring the ship back to the Earth, surely we can handle 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,760 airliners, or anything else with redundancy. 66 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:28,100 - The problem though is our political structure is: 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,870 How do you start changing a society this much, 68 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:32,660 which has really no political system? 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,480 - No, it has no political system. 70 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:37,400 It is not affiliated with any political party. 71 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:41,350 It is neither communist, fascist, nor socialist, nor democratic. 72 00:03:41,490 --> 00:03:44,550 Socio-cyberneering is a sort of a quantum jump, 73 00:03:44,690 --> 00:03:47,970 a severe departure in Man's way of thinking. 74 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:50,610 - How do you make a severe departure with millions of people? 75 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:55,660 - With millions of people, well, I think you pretty much understand that 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,070 most of the development we have in our society today- 77 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,390 the technology: the airplane, TV, radio, 78 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:07,260 modern production technology- is really done by very few people. 79 00:04:07,390 --> 00:04:09,390 I would say several hundred people 80 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:12,700 comprise the modern technological civilization. 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,260 But you don't need millions of technicians and millions of scientists. 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,440 How many people that you know of today 83 00:04:19,580 --> 00:04:23,100 sit in their home and play their phonograph, and radio and TV, 84 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,650 have any idea of how this works? 85 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:28,350 It's just happening around them... 86 00:04:28,490 --> 00:04:30,730 - I don't have any idea. - ...and they're falling behind. 87 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:35,710 What is happening to Man is that his technological society- 88 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:38,700 the newer value systems that dominate our times 89 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:41,740 that are pressing onward- are just leaving behind 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,660 hundreds of thousands of people that cannot make the transition. 91 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,130 In other words, people that can't change 92 00:04:48,270 --> 00:04:51,750 can be found in the Amazon jungle today: the head-hunters. 93 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,950 And we've got to change. I think the book "Future Shock", 94 00:04:55,090 --> 00:04:57,520 or the book I've worked on, "Looking Forward". 95 00:04:57,660 --> 00:05:00,820 "Future Shock" points out, that there are a lot of things 96 00:05:00,870 --> 00:05:03,690 going to happen, whether you like it or not, 97 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:06,680 that the future cannot be stopped by anyone. 98 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:09,640 It is a continuous progression. 99 00:05:09,780 --> 00:05:12,360 - But there'll always be large groups of people that have trouble handling it. 100 00:05:12,470 --> 00:05:15,430 - Yes, this is true. - Look at the change of someone... - We agree. 101 00:05:15,490 --> 00:05:17,860 - ...60 years old, who has seen unbelievable change in their lifetime. 102 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,840 - I believe they can change quickly 103 00:05:19,940 --> 00:05:23,100 if the information is made available to them. In other words 104 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:26,860 to present socio-cyberneering in one shot is extremely difficult. 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,440 I believe that people should not be divided- 106 00:05:30,060 --> 00:05:34,460 the youngsters, the adolescents, and finally the mature young adults 107 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,600 and then the older folks, are all divided people. 108 00:05:37,750 --> 00:05:39,410 When you get to be 65 109 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:42,660 you don't want to travel on an ocean liner with old folks. 110 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:45,360 How come we put up these buildings for the old folks? 111 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:48,440 We think that people ought to live wherever the hell they want to live. 112 00:05:48,590 --> 00:05:52,470 That cities must be designed so we have an integrated intelligent society. 113 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,150 Einstein, when he was 65, 70 years old, he would talk to youngsters. 114 00:05:57,250 --> 00:05:59,660 He kept reading. He kept up with ideas. 115 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,090 Why must societies be divided into different groups? 116 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:07,550 We think that you're as young as your life permits you to be, 117 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:09,910 as your exposure, as your ideas. 118 00:06:10,030 --> 00:06:15,300 - Alright let's- with pictures- explore the thinking of Jacque Fresco 119 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:20,210 and the society he'd like to see: socio-cyberneering. 120 00:06:20,350 --> 00:06:23,510 Now, we'll start with this, and you tell me. - I'll try to point it out. 121 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:25,080 - Yeah, you can point right at it. 122 00:06:25,180 --> 00:06:26,680 All of the new cities 123 00:06:26,780 --> 00:06:29,310 will be a university, in essence. 124 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:32,250 The center of a city, the nucleus, will house 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,630 an electronic computer which only controls the weather, 126 00:06:36,770 --> 00:06:40,040 water purification, the atmospheric conditions, 127 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:43,000 that is- it controls air contamination systems. 128 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:47,650 The computers do not, I say it again, do not control people. 129 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:51,110 They maintain safety, they oversee the environment, 130 00:06:51,250 --> 00:06:55,400 maintain ecological balance between animal life and plant life. 131 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:58,910 All the machines do is control the physical entities 132 00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:00,780 that comprise the environment. 133 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,340 The center of the city is a university. 134 00:07:03,580 --> 00:07:07,580 A university that covers all subjects related to Man. 135 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,130 It is not a commercial university. It is not based on any-... 136 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:14,620 There are no courses that are used to exploit 137 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,360 or abuse any other human being. 138 00:07:17,510 --> 00:07:20,860 All business courses will be phased out. 139 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,500 All repetitious jobs will be phased out. 140 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:27,130 We feel that machines ought to do 141 00:07:27,250 --> 00:07:30,300 the filthy, or the repetitious, or the boring jobs. 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,200 That Man has to be free 143 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:36,210 to pursue the higher things, the higher possibilities of Man. 144 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,660 In other words, if this is the medical unit- this little branch- 145 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,360 and if you work in this center, 146 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:44,600 you may live in the garden cities that surround the center. 147 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:47,140 You don't have to. You can if you will. 148 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Each of the garden cities contain lakes, recreation areas, 149 00:07:51,380 --> 00:07:55,340 and between cities, we let everything go back to nature. 150 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:57,420 - Will computers be able to control the weather? 151 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,110 - This is a relatively easy project to manage. 152 00:08:00,210 --> 00:08:01,900 - Easy to control? - Yes. - You could control the weather? 153 00:08:01,950 --> 00:08:04,110 - I could go into that with you in a little while. - Alright. 154 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:06,250 - Can I finish that? - Oh, okay, sorry. 155 00:08:06,390 --> 00:08:09,320 - On the outer rim of the city, we have the agricultural belt. 156 00:08:09,460 --> 00:08:12,610 All of your garbage is compressed 157 00:08:12,710 --> 00:08:15,610 and pumped, recycled out to the agricultural belt. 158 00:08:15,750 --> 00:08:18,670 There are no garbage trucks. There are no dump fields. 159 00:08:18,820 --> 00:08:21,740 We use everything. All waste is recycled. 160 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,740 This is an ecological program. 161 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,460 - Alright. Now, this is what the total city... 162 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,700 - The total city looks like this. 163 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,140 There are circular conveyor belts that take you 164 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:34,630 anywhere in the city in three minutes. 165 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:38,200 The city population in this particular city is 15,000. 166 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:41,210 We have larger cities designed, up to two million. 167 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:43,720 The cities are all immersed in beautiful gardens. 168 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:45,500 There are no trees in a row. 169 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:47,650 It is not a mechanical environment. 170 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,080 It is essentially a city immersed in a second Garden of Eden 171 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:53,190 where there are lakes, recreation areas, 172 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:55,980 art centers, music centers, cultural centers, 173 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,980 and surrounding the city we have the agricultural belt 174 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,120 where we grow foods hydroponically. 175 00:09:01,220 --> 00:09:04,210 Between cities, we let everything go back to nature: 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,000 the deer, the coyote, the entire ecological balance is maintained. 177 00:09:09,150 --> 00:09:11,360 - We grow foods, how? - Hydroponically. 178 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:14,050 - What's that? - Soil-less agriculture, in some instances. 179 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,560 And in other instances we use conventional agriculture, 180 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,000 which we'll get onto in the drawings as we go through the subject. 181 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:23,600 - Alright. What- before we get to the other pictures- 182 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:29,040 what jobs, that we now know, will not be present in this concept? 183 00:09:29,140 --> 00:09:30,800 - Well, most. - Like garbage men, gone, right? 184 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:34,000 - Yes. All repetition. All people working in fact[ories]. - Mailmen? 185 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:38,610 - No mailmen, no waitresses, no waiters, no cooks. 186 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,180 - When you go out to eat, how will you get your food? 187 00:09:41,310 --> 00:09:43,340 - Well, there are beautifully designed 188 00:09:44,220 --> 00:09:47,340 areas for eating, in which you have all kinds of food. 189 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Japanese, French food, organic food, and the standards if you like it. 190 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:53,520 - And how would it get to you? - The way the food gets to you-... 191 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:56,630 what we do is monitor the behavior of the cook. 192 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:01,150 That is, we do a multi-channel tape, on the best cooks that we know of. 193 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:04,900 And, as they prepare their food 194 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,950 we tape every move they make, and how they handle food 195 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:10,800 and how they dice the carrots, the way you like it. 196 00:10:10,940 --> 00:10:15,500 Then you dial "2736", and you get the kind of food you want. 197 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:18,100 Chef Milani style, or individualized. 198 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:19,780 You can even tape your own cooking. 199 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,730 - I remember 5 years ago I used to laugh at you, 200 00:10:21,790 --> 00:10:23,670 and now all this is very believable. 201 00:10:23,770 --> 00:10:25,400 Alright, onward. What do we have here? 202 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:28,660 - Areas like India, where you have high population densities, 203 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,450 or areas like China, we just can't afford 204 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,500 to go on and make an individual house 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,920 for every human being. We just don't have that kind of energy. 206 00:10:37,060 --> 00:10:40,700 Our population has already surpassed the point of no return. 207 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,940 We have to unify our architecture, not that I like it. 208 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,930 But we're trapped. We have to unify it and then make art centers, 209 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:49,650 music centers and gardens between the cities. 210 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:52,500 In India, this would only extend six miles. 211 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,200 And then you would have countryside, lakes, and hiking area 212 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:58,120 for most people. But, if you try to spread your cities out 213 00:10:58,220 --> 00:11:01,000 as we're doing, you're going to louse up the entire area. 214 00:11:01,140 --> 00:11:04,110 - Are you betting that people will not declare war on each other? 215 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:06,420 So that you can get at building all of this? 216 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,610 - Well, we don't have much choice. We're going to 217 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:11,090 destroy each other, or we're going to make it. 218 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,210 - Now, this looks like some sort of 219 00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:15,580 submerged stadium, with something flying. 220 00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:18,650 - In an area like Pennekamp Park, we might build 221 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:23,160 circular cities in the sea, where the water is about 30, 35 feet deep. 222 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:26,320 Most of the apartment houses will open out into the sea. 223 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:29,000 You can observe marine life and fish swimming by. 224 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:31,670 There will be no zoos, no seaquariums, 225 00:11:31,810 --> 00:11:34,410 everything will be observed in natural conditions. 226 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:36,850 There will be boating, scuba-diving, recreation, 227 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:39,190 and universities built in the sea. 228 00:11:39,340 --> 00:11:44,000 Socio-cyberneering encompasses the entire social spectrum. 229 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:47,780 - These drawings all made by you? - Yes. 230 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,710 This might represent an individual house. 231 00:11:50,850 --> 00:11:53,500 Most of the homes will be individually contoured. 232 00:11:53,570 --> 00:11:55,790 If you're an artist, you'll live in the kind of house 233 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:58,590 that is most suitable to your areas of interest. 234 00:11:58,730 --> 00:12:01,370 If you're a technician, a musician, the house will be designed 235 00:12:01,510 --> 00:12:05,200 for your needs. Most of the houses will be self-generative. 236 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:08,440 That is, the heat of the sun falls upon your roof 237 00:12:08,580 --> 00:12:10,810 and lowers the temperature on the inside of the house. 238 00:12:10,950 --> 00:12:13,210 The sunlight is scattered on the inner walls, 239 00:12:13,350 --> 00:12:15,170 in which you have a phosphor coating. 240 00:12:15,270 --> 00:12:18,160 And the room glows, all evening, with a soft glow 241 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:21,400 without any electricity, without any power waste. 242 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:23,950 All of the pavement in the area is black. 243 00:12:24,090 --> 00:12:26,190 Under the pavement are heating coils, 244 00:12:26,330 --> 00:12:32,050 that is, built-in PVC tubing, or wiring, or conveyor tubing for water. 245 00:12:32,190 --> 00:12:35,600 As the Sun beats down on the pavement, we get all the hot water we need 246 00:12:35,740 --> 00:12:38,940 without burning any fuel, conserving energy 247 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,190 all over the world, at a much lower cost. 248 00:12:41,330 --> 00:12:44,070 - Who's... who's going to pay for all this? 249 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:46,030 - Where is the money coming from? 250 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:49,530 If you took all of the gold and all of the wealth of this country, 251 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:52,720 all of the certificates of debt, and all of the land ownership, 252 00:12:52,860 --> 00:12:57,350 all of the diamonds and rings, and dumped it off the coast of Japan, 253 00:12:57,490 --> 00:13:00,060 as long as you didn't touch the American way of thinking, 254 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,540 our technology and our resources, 255 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:05,810 we would not be impoverished at all. 256 00:13:05,950 --> 00:13:10,140 America's wealth is not its gold, is not its banking institutions. 257 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,380 These are false institutions. That the entire money-structured 258 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,580 and materialistic-oriented society is a false society. 259 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,140 10 or 15 years from now, our society 260 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:24,530 will go down in history as the lowest development in Man. 261 00:13:24,670 --> 00:13:27,960 We have the brains, the know-how, the technology, 262 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:31,530 and the feasibility to build an entirely new civilization. 263 00:13:31,630 --> 00:13:35,510 - You believe that we teach competition? That it's not bred into some- 264 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:38,800 - Competition is dangerous, socially offensive, 265 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:40,680 considered right and normal, because 266 00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:43,120 you are brought up to that value system. 267 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:45,680 What kind of competition did Jesus have? 268 00:13:45,820 --> 00:13:48,230 What kind of competition is there in your body? 269 00:13:48,370 --> 00:13:50,750 Suppose your brain said, "I'm the most important organ!" 270 00:13:50,890 --> 00:13:53,750 And the liver said, "I am. And I want a Free Enterprise system!" 271 00:13:53,890 --> 00:13:55,910 You'd rot away in a month if every organ 272 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,810 of your body went out for itself. 273 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,750 - What's this? - Some individuals will live in homes 274 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,210 of a different design. There will be a wide range 275 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:08,210 of what you call individuality. The city is built to bring out 276 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:14,090 what you call individuality, creativity, thinking, development. 277 00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:17,670 To question all things and challenge all ideas. 278 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:22,360 The city is not utopian. It is an open city, to develop all ideas, 279 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:26,100 to change our concepts when they need to be changed. 280 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,980 - Here we have a 3-phase picture. 281 00:14:29,050 --> 00:14:31,600 - Architecture will run the gamut. That all the buildings 282 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:35,270 will be earthquake-proof, fire-proof, termite-proof 283 00:14:35,420 --> 00:14:38,890 and shock resistant, in that they will rest on this particularly 284 00:14:39,030 --> 00:14:42,800 designed sand bay so that no direct shock can be transferred 285 00:14:42,850 --> 00:14:45,140 to the architecture. There are no fire departments, 286 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,960 because nothing in the architecture can burn. 287 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:52,660 There are no TV sets, radios, tape recorders, or record players. 288 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,540 All of that is done by the central computer system 289 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,260 in which all of the world's music is housed in a central computer. 290 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,400 You don't want records, tape recorders, all this junk 291 00:15:02,450 --> 00:15:04,520 that requires continuous maintenance. 292 00:15:04,660 --> 00:15:08,180 All you want is the music you like. You dial it, and you get the music. 293 00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:10,120 You don't need to pick up records or store them. 294 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:12,950 You live in an insane culture, where we duplicate things. 295 00:15:13,050 --> 00:15:15,450 It's like having a television station in every home 296 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,860 or every apartment building. All you want is the music 297 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,030 or the program. You dial that. 298 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:22,560 There's where the computers come in. They don't control you, 299 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,680 they provide you with the music, and the program. 300 00:15:24,750 --> 00:15:26,400 - But you would need a set in the house to get the programs. - No. 301 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:28,740 All you need is an image screen. 302 00:15:28,890 --> 00:15:31,680 - An image screen? - An image screen. A flat screen built-in 303 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:33,780 on the wall. You don't have a set sticking out. 304 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,210 You don't have tape recorders. All you have is the music you like. 305 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:41,620 - Did you read Ira Levin's "This Perfect Day"? - No, I did not. 306 00:15:41,750 --> 00:15:44,650 - Well, he has a society like this, in which the computers also control 307 00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:48,000 the human beings. - Well, this I'm against, very much against. 308 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:49,880 - He made it so, if you felt a little ill, you pressed the button... 309 00:15:49,980 --> 00:15:52,760 - I don't like that. That's too much like "1984" 310 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:55,340 and "Brave New World". This is humanistic. 311 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,640 All our cities will be separated by a half mile of landscaped areas 312 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:02,260 and returned to the natural ecological balance. 313 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,080 The lakes, the hills, the valleys, the animal life between cities 314 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:08,060 will go back to nature. - How will we travel? 315 00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:11,460 - Cities are connected from core to core by either 316 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,630 cyclic elevators or linear transportation systems. 317 00:16:14,770 --> 00:16:18,070 There are no freeways and no automobiles, 318 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:21,060 therefore no automobile accidents. 319 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,310 No automobile accidents, because they don't exist. 320 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,470 We have continuous transportation. You don't need to wait for a bus. 321 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:28,980 We have continuous, moving conveyors. 322 00:16:29,830 --> 00:16:32,480 - When I get back to money, and you said that it's unimportant. 323 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,210 To start this, who will build it? Who's going to build the first- 324 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:39,530 - It's a membership organization ... which is like, 325 00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:42,280 the members pay about $10 a year and they get the booklet, 326 00:16:42,380 --> 00:16:43,940 and the information, and they go to meetings. 327 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,960 But the funds actually come from donations from organizations 328 00:16:48,070 --> 00:16:52,130 and various agencies of the federal government and private foundations 329 00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:55,490 to build the first city, to solve the transportation systems, 330 00:16:55,630 --> 00:16:58,920 to work out a totally different environment. 331 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:01,850 And after the first city is built, we expect a rapid growth 332 00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:04,720 in the membership. It is difficult for people 333 00:17:04,820 --> 00:17:07,640 to immediately understand socio-cyberneering 334 00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:11,180 because it is not like anything else that you're familiar with. 335 00:17:11,330 --> 00:17:14,900 - Obviously it requires a change of thinking. 336 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,690 Well, you're not dull, Jacque. Okay. 337 00:17:16,790 --> 00:17:20,030 - For example: agriculture. You read of pests, 338 00:17:20,170 --> 00:17:22,660 you read of insecticides, you read of DDT. 339 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,280 You read of constant spraying contaminating the Earth. 340 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:28,730 People get angry. They join environmentalist groups. 341 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:31,060 They try to save our environment, but they come up with 342 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,140 no specific ideas. Socio-cyberneering has a blueprint 343 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,340 for all of the identified problems. For example, 344 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,520 all our agriculture will be totally enclosed, either in plastic 345 00:17:43,660 --> 00:17:47,800 or glass buildings, that can transmit ultraviolet light. 346 00:17:47,950 --> 00:17:51,670 Therefore, you have no insect invasion of plants. 347 00:17:51,810 --> 00:17:54,760 We also have special ultrasonic generators 348 00:17:54,910 --> 00:17:57,650 that keep all insects away from plants. 349 00:17:57,780 --> 00:18:00,730 If certain insects- particularly selected insects 350 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,380 that are detrimental to plants- are hit with ultrasonic, 351 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,140 cavitation is produced and their bodies rupture, 352 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,650 fall to the soil, and enrich the soil. 353 00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:14,020 And are not washed into our rivers, and do not contaminate. 354 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,350 Therefore, an agriculture that's enclosed- 355 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:18,180 you're not subject to frost, 356 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,410 you're not subject to freeze or weather. 357 00:18:20,550 --> 00:18:22,860 In other words, these nuclear plants out here, 358 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,200 that dump their hot water into the bay, 359 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:31,060 we use that hot water in the winter to enhance the plant life, 360 00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:34,230 to grow bananas in Georgia, in North Carolina, 361 00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:37,120 by using the hot water from nuclear plants. 362 00:18:37,220 --> 00:18:39,250 What do we do with the radioactive waste? 363 00:18:39,370 --> 00:18:43,490 We encase it in piping and treat sewage water with the radiation. 364 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,300 Not radioactive powder, but the radiation material is sealed. 365 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,270 And through a multiplicity of shields, we only use the radiation 366 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:54,930 to clean the waters emitted by hospitals 367 00:18:55,070 --> 00:18:58,460 and all other sources of contamination. 368 00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:01,340 - You keep showing this figure of this thing flying around in the sky 369 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:02,920 so you better tell me what that is. - Oh. 370 00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:07,090 This is one of the methods of conserving our land area. 371 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:09,960 You read of erosion. Our beaches are being eroded. 372 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:14,100 Land is being eroded. By designing and building underwater dams 373 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,920 -which is entirely feasible within our time- 374 00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:21,320 we can modify the ocean current, we can modify the Japanese stream. 375 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:25,150 We can build dams under the ocean, and utilize the Japanese current, 376 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:29,060 oxygenate the water, and do away with the red tide. 377 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,450 The red tide, by the way, can be dealt with by oxygenation, 378 00:19:33,610 --> 00:19:35,510 by recirculating the water, 379 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:38,860 by building dams under the water in the Gulf Stream, 380 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,150 to set up greater turbulence in the water, and this is feasible. 381 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,260 If we don't do it, we will cease to be as a nation. 382 00:19:46,410 --> 00:19:49,510 We have the energy, the know-how, the raw materials. 383 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:52,130 Socio-cyberneering is an organization 384 00:19:52,290 --> 00:19:55,980 that is probably the boldest organization ever conceived of. 385 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,260 We're undertaking the most ambitious project 386 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,730 in the history of mankind. - What's this? 387 00:20:01,870 --> 00:20:05,070 - This represents a surveillance equipment aircraft 388 00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:07,810 to survey the areas, the movement of the currents, 389 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:10,960 and to monitor Earth systems. 390 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,710 - Alright, Jacque. - This represents a variation of a circular scheme. 391 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:20,540 Most of the cities are based on natural configurations: 392 00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:23,580 the atomic structure, basic designs in nature. 393 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,950 The center of the city might be related to 394 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:28,920 studies of the human organism. 395 00:20:29,060 --> 00:20:32,660 This center here may be studies of diseases of the eye; 396 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,310 other systems: diseases of the nervous system. 397 00:20:35,450 --> 00:20:39,780 An all-out research project on enhancing the lives of Man. 398 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:45,940 There are no military programs or projects in socio-cyberneering. 399 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,220 - And no need for an army? - No need for an army. 400 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,730 - Now, what if one people decides to attack another people? 401 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:53,300 - We then invite. After the first city is built 402 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:56,580 we tend to go socio-cyberneering international, 403 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,090 to invite the participation of all nations of the world 404 00:21:00,230 --> 00:21:03,260 into a system of monitoring the Earth, 405 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,340 and using the Earth to enhance the lives of Man. 406 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,780 - What if one group of people get together and attack 407 00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:13,000 another group of people? - We believe that is done due to scarcity, 408 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:16,840 or that a society suffers from economic deprivation, 409 00:21:16,980 --> 00:21:19,550 lack of arable land area or overpopulation. 410 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:22,900 - In other words, you believe it would not occur. - It would not occur. 411 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,860 - What is this wild-looking thing? - This is clean sources of power. 412 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,620 By utilizing the natural heat of the Earth- 413 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,370 that is, volcanic energy, or the magma, or the molten lava 414 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:37,170 under the Earth, of which there are approximately 500 potentials- 415 00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:42,520 if we tap a mountain in Hawaii, called Mount Aloha, 416 00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:45,590 we can get enough power to electrify the world. 417 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:48,170 We can get enough power from that volcano alone. 418 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:52,070 We have 500 potential volcanoes we can harness. 419 00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:54,600 We can use that natural heat from the volcano. 420 00:21:54,740 --> 00:22:00,940 No smog. No smoke. No dirt. No gases. No fuels. No oil spills. 421 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,840 And no more burning of fuels in any city to generate power. 422 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:08,000 If Japan used Fujiyama, they don't need to burn oil. 423 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:11,400 They don't need oil. All of that heat is sitting there! 424 00:22:11,540 --> 00:22:15,020 20 million years of power, right under the Earth's surface. 425 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,020 In fact, you don't even need to use fusion power or nuclear power. 426 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,710 And it's easy to tap. And it's clean, and available. 427 00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:24,860 As soon as we make up our minds 428 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,340 to put scientists rather than on weapons, nerve gas, 429 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,010 on harnessing the Earth power that is already here. 430 00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:34,370 - How are you going to get the president of Florida Power and Light or 431 00:22:34,510 --> 00:22:36,790 Shell Oil to give up such a... 432 00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:39,910 - Socio-cyberneering does not appeal to governments, 433 00:22:40,050 --> 00:22:43,300 to private enterprise. We're going to do this thing- 434 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:46,400 just as the automobile phased out the stagecoach, 435 00:22:46,550 --> 00:22:49,430 just as television stepped in and phased out 436 00:22:49,580 --> 00:22:51,910 the old vaudeville and the old motion pictures. 437 00:22:52,050 --> 00:22:55,380 That history and technology is respecters of no society, 438 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,440 no individual opinions, but it moves on. 439 00:22:58,580 --> 00:23:02,470 And we've got to be prepared to face the future. 440 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:06,950 Socio-cyberneering will tackle some of the most ambitious projects 441 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:09,420 in the history of Man. This represents the building 442 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,500 of underwater dams within the Gulf Stream. 443 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,680 This dam will collect, direct, and route the waters of the sea 444 00:23:16,820 --> 00:23:20,930 into a spillway that is centrifugally shaped so that fish 445 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:24,340 and marine life are separated from the turbine blades. 446 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,040 The Gulf Stream will generate power to oxygenate the waters, 447 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:32,700 to eliminate the red tide, to pick up the amount of fish in the ocean, 448 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,100 to monitor marine life and build an ecological relationship 449 00:23:37,340 --> 00:23:42,110 between the total oceanographic world and the continents. 450 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720 Areas where we've gone in for strip-mining and loused up the land 451 00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:53,680 by digging out the areas, shamefully pitting the surface 452 00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:57,240 of the United States, we feel we can build underground art cities, 453 00:23:57,380 --> 00:24:01,100 music centers, landscaped areas with gardens 454 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,640 and lakes, and reclaim those areas. 455 00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:08,360 - Now this looks like...a train station. 456 00:24:08,410 --> 00:24:12,510 - After the automobile is phased out, which we hope to do very rapidly, 457 00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:14,610 we hope to build a new transportation system 458 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:19,740 and also phase out all forms of aircraft, except surveillance. 459 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,740 Aircraft, helicopters. We think aircraft are no longer necessary. 460 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,440 In fact, the skies are so jammed, and landing is so difficult, 461 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:30,970 and the speeds and the shockwave are no longer worth working on. 462 00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:34,800 I know that people in the aircraft business do not understand this, 463 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:38,160 nor do they feel this because they feel that all institutions 464 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:40,480 tend to perpetuate themselves. 465 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,760 We hope to phase out the airplane by designing 466 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:48,200 transportation units that can move up to 2,000 miles an hour, 467 00:24:48,330 --> 00:24:52,220 floating on a magnetic repulsive field or an air cushion. 468 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,460 And in those huge trains of tomorrow 469 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:58,640 there will be TV, radio, amusement, art centers, classrooms, 470 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:02,010 not a group of seats lined up as your trains are today- 471 00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:05,460 highly regimented society, whether you know it or not. 472 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,730 This society will be different in its transportation means. 473 00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:11,280 If forty or fifty people have to leave the train, 474 00:25:11,420 --> 00:25:15,030 we slow up to 100 miles an hour, lift off the passenger section, 475 00:25:15,170 --> 00:25:19,200 or slide it off and slide on a section with the passengers getting on. 476 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,740 You don't have to stop the whole plane or the train. 477 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,840 Today, when three people are getting off, 478 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:26,510 you land the airplane and three or four people get off. 479 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:29,820 In the future, we will just shove off those passengers getting off 480 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,380 and that freight, leaving. 481 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,970 - How will this go from, say, Miami to London? 482 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,530 - We then have an underwater project 483 00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:40,050 in which tunnels are suspended 125 feet 484 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:42,840 beneath the surface of the sea, therefore you eliminate 485 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:45,460 most of the ocean-going transportation systems. 486 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,160 You're not subject to the weather or anything else. 487 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,700 This is part of the linear acceleration train 488 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,880 that can take you anywhere in the world in just a few hours 489 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:57,520 safely, without snow, rain, being lost at sea. 490 00:25:57,670 --> 00:26:02,130 - Are all these things you're saying, Jacque, could they be built 491 00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:04,900 with what we know today? Or are some of these things, 492 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,730 are you guessing, based on what we know today? - No 493 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,000 All of these things can be built with what we know today. 494 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:14,090 It would take 10 years to change the surface of the Earth, 495 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:16,840 to rebuild the world into a second Garden of Eden. 496 00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:20,790 The choice lies with you. The stupidity of a nuclear arms race, 497 00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:24,890 the development of weapons, trying to solve your problems politically 498 00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:28,000 by electing this political party or that political party, 499 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:31,780 that all politics is immersed in corruption. Let me say it again: 500 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,270 communism, socialism, fascism, the democrats, the liberals- 501 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:40,200 we want to absorb human beings. Women's Lib-... 502 00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:43,600 ALL organizations that believe in a better life for Man! 503 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,860 There are no Negro problems, or Polish problems, 504 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,100 or Jewish problems, or Greek problems, 505 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,710 or women's problems. They're Human problems! 506 00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:55,430 To come into socio-cyberneering, and take your part, and function. 507 00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:59,130 We are not concerned with the divisions of segments of society. 508 00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:02,650 - No ... control of the population? 509 00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:06,160 - Population control is dependent upon education. 510 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:10,040 We feel an educated population needs no control. 511 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:12,520 - You wouldn't stop sex. - No, sir. 512 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,460 - Good move, Jacque. What's this? 513 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520 - Some individuals may want to live in a "way out" house. 514 00:27:17,710 --> 00:27:20,670 How far way out- how far out you want to live- 515 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:23,900 will be determined by your value system, and your lifestyle. 516 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,970 It is not a restricted society. It is not a "1984". 517 00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:31,720 It is not a "Brave New World". But it is something brand new. 518 00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:35,080 We would like you to investigate socio-cyberneering. 519 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:37,280 - Now, I'm going to give the address out for people who would like 520 00:27:37,390 --> 00:27:39,530 to know more about...oooh, the next one looks really weird. 521 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,160 - Some people may want to live in a different kind of home. 522 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,930 I myself am interested in world affairs, ecological changes, 523 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:48,630 therefore the walls would have panoramic screens, 524 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,760 giving me the kind of information that I am interested in. 525 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,430 Your home may be different, designed to fit your needs. 526 00:27:55,570 --> 00:27:58,130 The homes will be molded. - Now, nobody will pay the builder 527 00:27:58,230 --> 00:28:00,900 of the home? He won't receive money? - No. 528 00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:04,310 - Why will he build the home? - "He" doesn't build the home. 529 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:06,760 The homes are built through systems engineering 530 00:28:06,930 --> 00:28:09,740 in which we can form a home every half hour 531 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,570 by blowing the floor up out of the ground so that we have 532 00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:16,740 -up out of a plastic unit which the floor is comprised of- 533 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:19,700 we blow and shape the furniture, and then spray the furniture. 534 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,880 In other words, if you're going to be here 535 00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:24,700 -if the United States is going to be here- for the next 20 years, 536 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,200 you can't have a plumber install the toilet bowl, and the sink, 537 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:31,240 and the shower in the same old hand-tool fashion 538 00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:34,320 that was done forty years ago. We've got to make a quantum jump. 539 00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:37,310 Mold maybe fifteen different types of bathrooms. 540 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:40,520 You pick out that which you like, the bathroom is self-cleaning, 541 00:28:40,660 --> 00:28:43,750 self-drying and we install it in your architecture, 542 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:45,630 based upon your selection. 543 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,580 - What, uh... uh-... 544 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,990 It will be so hard to change, you know. 545 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,440 - How do we change humans? - A lot of these things sound fascinating but 546 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,180 in order to accomplish any of this, you require, to me, 547 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,260 a change of the human. - The human value system. - How? 548 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,750 - We feel that if enough human beings are exposed 549 00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:05,620 to socio-cyberneering, through information, 550 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,820 and they question things about human behavior, the new schools- 551 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,540 I'd be happy to describe all things. We don't have enough time now 552 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,030 to go into that. But it doesn't take very long 553 00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:18,480 for Americans to change. Americans have been conditioned 554 00:29:18,610 --> 00:29:22,130 in their kind of society to get a different kind of car next year, 555 00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:24,650 to buy a new television set or a tape-recorder. 556 00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:29,220 We are radical as hell. But our political and social institutions 557 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,200 have not changed. And this is where we are stagnating: 558 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:35,480 because we always equate any new idea 559 00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:37,900 with communism or regimentation. 560 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,670 Because we've been brought up to fear that which is new. 561 00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:42,780 And I think that Christ was a radical. 562 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,470 He brought new ideas. But it took time, 563 00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:49,180 thousands of years, for people to really appreciate ideas. 564 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:51,260 - They still haven't bought them. - Exactly. 565 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,480 Our ideas- ... - What's this giant foot? 566 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:58,230 - What looks like a giant foot is really a wind tunnel 567 00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:01,370 in a vertical position. We feel, by building six of these 568 00:30:01,470 --> 00:30:04,290 in the Los Angeles area and the New York area, 569 00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:07,060 and accelerating air down through this tunnel 570 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,260 by means of turbines, and electrostatic filters 571 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,260 and a low temperature base, we can clean the air of the 572 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,360 solid particulate matter, gases, and all suspended particles 573 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,280 within a period of one year, clean the air in the Los Angeles 574 00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:24,560 and New York area, and then remove these structures 575 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,170 and build garden cities again. 576 00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:28,910 Let's not wait for nature to do it. 577 00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:31,460 We loused it up. We're going to have to clean it up, 578 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,390 like the war program. 579 00:30:33,530 --> 00:30:35,930 - You know, people- before I show this last one- people, 580 00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:38,760 just so you know, you know that, ah-... 581 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,430 a lot of this is wondrous to you, and it is to me, of course, but 582 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:46,760 Dr. Fresco is a respected social engineer, industrial designer, 583 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:50,320 designer and inventor, Ph.D in Human Factors Engineering, 584 00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:54,660 and has worked on many things from anti-icing systems to 585 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,830 prefabricated aluminum houses, designed systems for noiseless 586 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:01,510 and pollution-free aircraft, wrote the book "Looking Forward". 587 00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:03,680 He has lectured at the Department of Sociology 588 00:31:03,740 --> 00:31:05,860 in Princeton on sociology of the future, 589 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,660 guest at the College Editors Environmental Conference in Washington, 590 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,260 lectured at Queens College, New York, 591 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,980 University of South Florida, University of California, 592 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,800 designed various items, ranging from drafting instruments to X-ray units. 593 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:20,300 And, so you know, don't just dismiss this. 594 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,890 If he says it's possible, it's possible. What's this? 595 00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,130 - Well, in times to come, most of you are probably familiar with 596 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:29,560 the giant units that are used to move the rockets 597 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,740 onto their launching platform- tremendous tractor systems. 598 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,060 In the distant future, perhaps the next 15 or 20 years, 599 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,890 huge tractors may be built, with a nuclear reactor built-in 600 00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:45,900 that can fuse the Earth into canals, and transportation ways. 601 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,310 We can shape the Earth by nuclear energy 602 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:51,740 without mixing concrete, without having trucks and human beings 603 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,680 leveling the concrete. We can do this today, 604 00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:57,160 at 20 miles per hour, if we wanted to. 605 00:31:57,310 --> 00:32:02,000 Shape the Earth into highways, waterways, flood control systems, 606 00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:05,680 in a totally different reorganized technology. 607 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,620 - Alright, now: technicians working now 608 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,610 in this present setup in the private industry concept, 609 00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:13,860 why haven't we seen more things like this, 610 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,540 if they are feasible? If for, just for example: 611 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,640 the Japanese, or everybody's working on a high speed train. 612 00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:24,270 And you can't tell me that the Japanese wouldn't like to have 613 00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:25,860 -the Seaboard Railroad wouldn't like to have- 614 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,870 a train that could get you to New York in 20 minutes. 615 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,500 Even for a profit. Why don't they? 616 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,610 - As far as I know, at present, there is really no integrated 617 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:39,060 transportation system. Integrating a transportation system, 618 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,480 you'd have to design, it's just like designing a heart 619 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,800 of a human being- if God did it this way- 620 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,180 and then he decided to put some lungs nearby, 621 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,750 and then he built another structure to hold our arms. 622 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:50,400 All of these are after-thoughts. 623 00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,400 What we have to do is design a city as a living system. 624 00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:55,690 As an organism. As a university. 625 00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:59,360 That all of the cities of the future will be university cities 626 00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:02,250 that grow, that continue to exchange ideas. 627 00:33:02,390 --> 00:33:04,890 The city will have a built-in transportation system, 628 00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:09,770 so there are no accidents, and no un-thoughtout areas of technology. 629 00:33:09,910 --> 00:33:14,080 Medicine, botany, agriculture, the total system. One planning system. 630 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,300 Our cities have been designed a long time ago. 631 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,190 The area like Miami- downtown Miami, 632 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:22,110 may put in a couple of pots and a couple of trees, 633 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:26,010 and this kind of simulating an intelligent approach 634 00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:28,860 to an environment which costs thousands of dollars. 635 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,350 And these little intrusions on Flagler Street 636 00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:34,720 only cause the buses and the fire engines and the emergency vehicles 637 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:37,500 to become further tied up. They are no solutions. 638 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,500 They are clumsy, academic approaches by people 639 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,090 immersed in this kind of society, coming up with 640 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:47,600 their cop-out solutions that have no relationship to the problems. 641 00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:51,110 You cannot be a conventional architect, a conventional engineer, 642 00:33:51,250 --> 00:33:54,860 work for the telephone company, or any other of the old establishment 643 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,130 and come up with an idea that is a radical innovation. 644 00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:02,220 The space program takes new thinking; to save our country, 645 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,740 to save our land, to save our environment, 646 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,170 to save our youth. Our stupidity, our conflict- 647 00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:10,860 we've got to reorganize our way of thinking 648 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,380 and reconsider our social aims, 649 00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:17,440 toward the brotherhood of man. We do that or we perish. 650 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:20,240 - What do you think Frank Lloyd Wright would have thought of this? 651 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:23,000 - I think that Frank Lloyd Wright was establishment. 652 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,620 I think that his architecture was radical. 653 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,840 But I think it was radical in a limited way. 654 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:29,800 And we've got to get away from this limited 655 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,980 "I did this" and "I did that," and the self-centeredness 656 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,140 that dominates our society today. 657 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,100 It must be a privilege to serve members of society. 658 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,120 Not that we want rewards or medals or honor 659 00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:44,080 for what we do, because it is just an honor to do it. 660 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,170 And if you cannot work for that, then you missed the boat. 661 00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:50,460 You don't understand the teachings of the wisest men that ever lived. 662 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,720 - In your society there are no mayors of cities 663 00:34:52,820 --> 00:34:55,320 - There are no mayors, there are no politicians, 664 00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,460 and you don't have to fill out any forms 665 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,740 to go to the arts center or music center 666 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,460 and you go to a university whether you can afford it or not. 667 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,110 If you want a suit of clothes how do you get it? 668 00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:08,480 Well, most suits of clothing are designed by 669 00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:11,370 anatomists and physiologists to be comfortable. 670 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,810 Most of your shoes will breathe as you walk. 671 00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:16,450 They'll be very different from the shoes 672 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,240 that dominate your society today. 673 00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:21,160 Most of your clothing will be organically designed, 674 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:24,380 in that if you move your arms it'll aerate and breathe. 675 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,640 And most of your clothing will be washed by ultrasonics. 676 00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:31,670 No detergents. No washing machines. No centrifugal separators. 677 00:35:31,710 --> 00:35:35,410 We can knock all of the fluid off clothing today, by vibration. 678 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,550 We can knock fluids off clothing. In other words 679 00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:40,110 if you could move a piece of fabric from position A 680 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:43,310 to position B rapidly enough, the fluid will remain behind. 681 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,600 Ultrasonically vibrating the fabric can remove the fluids. 682 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,700 And you need not contaminate your waters. 683 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,460 You don't have to use any of the systems today. Let me briefly say this: 684 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,970 You have a bumper in front of your car and behind your car. 685 00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:58,090 But in your society, your car is hit on the side also. 686 00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:01,460 You have safety belts and harnesses in your car. 687 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,700 But that assumes that you're going to be hit by the rear or in front. 688 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,510 If you're hit on a side you go right through the side of the windshield. 689 00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:09,200 What good are these approaches?! 690 00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:12,680 They are designed by men that are cerebral insufficients! 691 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:16,150 You've got to design a society with a bumper all around the car, 692 00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:21,240 phase out human drivers, put electronic guidance systems in cars, 693 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:25,330 or eliminate the automobile, design a holistic transportation system. 694 00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:28,980 We must put our mind to this as we do to put a man on the moon. 695 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,380 We must put our mind to the social problem. 696 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,720 We wish to get away from politics. We wish to get away from 697 00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:37,090 the old world method of solving problems. 698 00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:40,360 If you can barely understand what it is I'm trying to say 699 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:43,370 in this short period of time, please investigate 700 00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:44,960 socio-cyberneering. - Are you saying that 701 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:47,880 General Motors could build a safe car today? 702 00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:50,480 Totally safe car, with the knowledge at hand? 703 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:52,200 - Yes, if they're given that assignment. 704 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,800 They're not given that assignment. 705 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,620 - No, because they're working on their own initiative to make more money. 706 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,410 - They're only interested in... 707 00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:00,880 Look, if General Motors had to service their own cars 708 00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:03,470 I can tell you for certain 709 00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:05,630 that they would have two levers that you turn down and 710 00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:08,350 pull out the engine, shove it in a service unit. 711 00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:12,300 And you know, to change a $3 spring in a car or a $2 part, 712 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,930 you gotta do a $45 job on a small car just to pull the engine out. 713 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,600 But if they had to service the car 714 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,260 I can assure you that whole engine would slide out. 715 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,610 You know they put a race-car wheel on with one turn? 716 00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:25,550 That's the way your wheels would go on. You'd have bumpers all around. 717 00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:27,500 You'd have no chromium, no ornament. 718 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,100 The chromium would be in the engine where you have chrome-steel; 719 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,790 tougher engine. In other words, 720 00:37:31,890 --> 00:37:35,980 the automobile companies have total- actually they have contempt. 721 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,300 Let me say this again: All manufacturers have contempt for you. 722 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,940 To sell you the toothpaste... 723 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:44,970 the products that they sell you are deliberately, 724 00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:48,230 deliberately designed to wear out, break down, 725 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:50,710 so you have to continually service those things. 726 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:53,180 You notice that your telephone is pretty reliable? 727 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,500 Well, we here in America can think. 728 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,770 We can design things that don't wear out 729 00:37:57,870 --> 00:38:01,570 and don't break down and don't require maintenance, at all! 730 00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:04,630 - Yeah the instrument, the phone, that stays forever. -You bet. 731 00:38:04,770 --> 00:38:06,960 If the automobile companies had to maintain their cars, 732 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,370 it would be a forever- - The phone company has to maintain the phone. 733 00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:12,980 - You bet! - That's why it's good. - That's why your units hold up. 734 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,260 - I never thought of that. - Right on, most people haven't. 735 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,530 - You know operators can be bad, they can be bad, but the phone itself- 736 00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:21,690 - It's the same for your TV sets by the way. 737 00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:24,220 - You mean if RCA, if everybody had to maintain their own... 738 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,140 - You bet. They'd all be ... automatic systems 739 00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:29,090 which you pull out, shove in a replacement unit. 740 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:31,000 If your engine breaks down, they pull out the engine, 741 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,110 shove in a courtesy engine, and you take off. 742 00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:35,760 Why hold up the whole car when you need a battery job? 743 00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:38,980 If you did that in the Army Air Force, you couldn't operate at all. 744 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,880 Your society is really comprised of very stupid men. 745 00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:45,430 Let me say it again: all politicians, all lawyers, 746 00:38:45,570 --> 00:38:47,880 all businessmen, will be phased out. 747 00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:51,280 I'm not going to do it, it's not going to be a revolution, 748 00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:54,130 you don't need it. Our society cannot be maintained 749 00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:56,070 by this type of incompetency. 750 00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:59,780 It was great, the free enterprise system, about 35 years ago. 751 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,750 That was the last of its usefulness. 752 00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:04,540 Now we've gotta change our way of thinking or perish. 753 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,280 Our system is dying. 754 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:08,980 If Nixon remains in, it will die in his lap. 755 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,200 If a liberal group gets in, the society will fall. 756 00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:14,820 Our cities are going broke, we don't have the money 757 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,740 nor the type of mentality required 758 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,850 to save our society in politics or government. 759 00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:24,200 I am not your enemy, I am not trying to destroy things. 760 00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:26,270 I do not believe in revolution. 761 00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:29,960 I believe that ideas must be presented to American people. 762 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:31,690 They have to make the decision. 763 00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:35,190 - Now, Dr. Fresco is in the local phonebook, am I correct? - Yes. 764 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,300 - Is that the number people would call to contact? - Yes. 765 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,980 - That's F-R-E-S-C-O. Dr. Jacque Fresco. 766 00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:43,920 And we're going to do some more with you, 767 00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:46,300 because you're... You know what I'd like to do one day? 768 00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:48,520 - There's a hell of a lot on socio-cyberneering. 769 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,210 - A Special. - I want to do one on human behavior. 770 00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:52,380 - Now, human behavior, how about a human behaviorist? 771 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,110 And how about some engineers? You know, 772 00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,510 what if I get a guy form General Motors? - Great. Love it. 773 00:39:57,570 --> 00:39:59,430 Love it. - An engineer of a car. - Love it. 774 00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:02,260 Get me the biggest establishment people you can get hold of. 775 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,260 I'd love 'em. Bankers, ecologists, economists... 776 00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:08,980 I can't use the kind of language I'd like to use on TV, 777 00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:10,520 but I'd like to talk to them. 778 00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:13,060 I'd like to blow it up for you to understand it. 779 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,690 Like the money system now, the whole idea of devaluation. 780 00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:19,260 Nobody knows what it's all about. They all think it's very complicated. 781 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,380 Actually it's very simple. I'll tell you what it is 782 00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:24,440 if I have the time in a nutshell, what's going on. 783 00:40:24,580 --> 00:40:26,240 If an island, like Haiti 784 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,560 had about several hundred million dollars 785 00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:31,330 in assets. But they went on, and they 786 00:40:31,390 --> 00:40:34,470 printed more money than they had things to back it up, or gold. 787 00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:38,110 Then that money has no value. If a little island, say like 788 00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:41,350 St. Croix printed lots of money and just came to the United States 789 00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:44,120 trying to buy things- they ran their printing presses night and day- 790 00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:47,000 the money is not backed, that's why it doesn't have anything. 791 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:49,290 Your whole banking system is utterly corrupt. 792 00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:51,800 Your lending institutions have loused up the system. 793 00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:54,290 But there's nobody out there telling you what's wrong with it. 794 00:40:54,430 --> 00:40:56,100 So it looks okay to you. 795 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,980 I'm not afraid of anybody, I don't work for anyone. 796 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,940 No one can discharge me. I have no boss. 797 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,220 The only thing that can happen to me is I can be put in prison. 798 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,650 Well there're many books to write. In other words 799 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,230 there are many things to be done. I am not afraid. 800 00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:13,470 I am afraid to live in the society we live in today. 801 00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:15,900 The direction we're moving in gives us 802 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,680 25 years for total environmental destruction. 803 00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:22,660 We have 7 years to mass starvation. 804 00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:25,500 We don't have much time. - The value of a nation 805 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,960 -dollar value, America's value- 806 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,190 the value of the dollar is not based on gold reserves, 807 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,520 the value of the dollar is based on faith in this country, right? 808 00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:34,240 And it's output isn't it? That's the truth. 809 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,310 - You can't build a nation on faith. It has to be backed up by resources. 810 00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:39,200 - But if the French respect the dollar, it's backed 811 00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:41,250 by respect for American resources. 812 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,050 - Respect, it only means that it serves France in some useful way. 813 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:48,880 A nation's interest in any other nation is always self-interest. 814 00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:51,230 When we send representatives to any other country 815 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:53,600 our self-interest is first. 816 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:56,000 Whatever happens to that nation is secondary. 817 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:58,500 We have nothing but utter materialism 818 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,330 which dominates our society today. 819 00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:02,710 - You're talking about all countries? - Yes. All countries. 820 00:42:02,850 --> 00:42:06,780 - The science is socio-cyberneering. 821 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,340 The man behind it is Dr. Jacque Fresco. 822 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,960 - I'm Larry King.